David Senra

And what's fascinating is, like, he's one of the eight, yet all the other players that are essentially competitors, like, go to him to, like, learn about...

like their industry, this brand new industry that they are the ones essentially building the foundation, the one that has now grown crazy in the last like 50, 60 years or whatever the case is.

And so one of the important parts for me where I would like disagree with some of the stuff I can't say publicly is like, I saw this tweet one time and it says, I think one of the most interesting ways to, or one of the ways to have the most interesting careers is to find an earned secret and exploit the hell out of it for decades.

And this tweet was talking about Mark Leonard, who used to work in VC from Constellation Software, saying, hey, these vertical market software businesses, they are shitty for VC, but they're great if I put it in a conglomerate and then everything that he did.

So I think he started, I don't remember the number, say 50 million, 80 million, and grind it to like 80 billion, whatever the number is.

And so he had that earned secret.

VMS, bad for VC, good for this other way.

Let me just do that.

And he exploited the hell out of it for three decades.

I think because I've strived to collect more information about podcasting than almost anybody else, I think I have earned secrets that I don't think there is any limit to the size or the performance of the business.

No, and all the great ones, like you were talking about Oprah the other day, the breakthroughs don't particularly have a blueprint where you're like,

And we were also talking about how like the people who are number one in certain things are literally a hundred times better than number two.

So I buy into that.

Jay-Z has a line.

If I'm going to make it to a Billy, I can't take the same path.

And so I'll be very eager to see what you're going to do.

I hate advertising.

In most cases, I ran an advertising business.

When you rely solely on advertising, I hated it.

But if you can make money in ways where I own bits of companies that I love to promote, or if you do it in some interesting way, then it becomes good.