David Senra

He still loves it.

He'll love it forever.

And it was very reminiscent of like what we're trying to do as parents where it's like you're shaping your kid, but you're only successful if they can survive without you.

Yeah.

And when I heard him say that, it was a few months after you had beautifully like articulated this idea.

It's just like, well, I think there's a lot of –

You're going to say better than I did, but essentially like there is a very rather clear analogy between the way your child when they're first born is essentially like a product of you.

They're going to mimic their parents, their environment that they're in.

But as they grow older and older, I just went through this and I have a 13 year old.

You know, when she was much smaller, she's much like me and her mom, right?

And then now she's like, she's got traits that I don't even have.

Yeah, 100%.

And her own decisions and like doing things maybe I would do or I would not do.

And you're like, it's kind of the same for the company.

And you had this idea where like, I think at the time Spotify was 19 years old or it's 19 or 20 years old.

And it's just like, well, you know, year one or two, it is me.

It's like the same way you have a two-year-old.

Anybody knows this.

But now there's characteristics that emerge from within the company that are separate from the founder.

That's like a fascinating insight.