David Seymour

We do need to provide better solutions for New Zealand.

And inevitably, anything we propose for the next three years will be things that weren't fixed in these three years.

So if you don't want to have an election, then we don't have to do it.

But I think we should.

Look, I think that we're simply not doing enough in order to get to a place where New Zealanders trust, support and believe in immigration.

And this comes back to your central point.

Be pro-immigration as you like.

But public policies have to have legitimacy in the public mind.

Immigration is losing that, and if you think it's a problem here, have a look at what's happening around the world.

That is our reality if we don't get that balance between the interests of people already here and those who would like to come back and balance.

No, look, we're just going to keep saving money and cutting red tape so we can get productivity up.

That's the thing that matters to this country.

No, we were in government by then, but for the first year, the Labour Party's programme continued.

I overhauled it during that year.

Half the cost got new suppliers in, and that regime started from the beginning of 2025.

So this report that's been released to the Herald mainly covers the period that we were actually using Labour's scheme.

Well, it's not that.

It's about 50 million a year.

So 21 out of 50 million.

13 million.