David Sloan

And after 25 years, if you don't pay, the body comes up, goes in an ossuary, and they resell it.

Wait, so they just... In Germany, they're evicting their dead?

Yeah.

That's part of how they view the relationship of living and dead and their idea of what is dead.

Well, most European countries do it.

It's only England that stood out.

So England began to do permanent grave sites.

And that is the policy that came to the U.S.

And so in the U.S., almost all grave sites are permanent.

You can't rent that I know of anywhere.

It's a really big issue.

If you lived in Syracuse, New York, or Los Angeles for a long time, you can actually go to the cemeteries where your parents, your siblings, your grandparents, your great-grandparents are buried.

You and I

I don't have anybody buried in Los Angeles.

My great-grandparents were buried in Ironton, Ohio, then Youngstown, Ohio, then Syracuse.

And my connection to those cemeteries, obviously, is greater than most people's because it's my family.

But I can imagine how it's quite easy to say, oh, we can't go to Grandpa's grave site because it's in Ohio.

And so it's not connecting.

We don't connect in the same way to the cemetery.

And this is what Greenwood and Mount Auburn and places in the Midwest have tried to do, is to give you a new way to connect.