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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello, this week we are running one of our very favorite classic search engine episodes. It concerns the topic that I think is always humming underneath the thoughts in our minds that we spend a lot of energy not thinking about. Maybe we is just me, but I think it's probably you too.
It's a conversation that started with an intriguing question and then gently went a lot of places that surprised me. After these ads, What if the cemetery goes out of business? Welcome to Search Engine. I'm PJ Vogt. No question too big, no question too small. This week, a question one of our listeners has been wondering about for nearly 15 years. A question about the dead.
Hi Lucas, how's it going? Doing well, how are you doing? I'm doing good. What does your hat say?
Portland Buckaroos. Who are the Buckaroos? They're just like an old hockey team. And what I love about the logo is that like...
It's a hockey-playing cowboy. Oh, yeah. Is he on a horse, but also the horse has ice skates? Yeah, and then he has ice skates also.
This seems like overkill. Well, I love it. It's like he knows that his horse might die. Oh, yeah. And he'll need to have his ice skates.
That's like your interpretation of your own hockey hat feels like a very morbid Rorschach test.
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Chapter 2: What happens if a cemetery goes out of business?
Lucas, perhaps a fellow given to certain morbid wonderings, which was what had led him here today. His questions stretched all the way back to 2011, back when Lucas was studying advertising in Texas. In one of his classes, he was given an assignment. Find an existing company that might need some help with their brand and copy.
And so in his search, he would find himself wandering the world, noticing businesses more, the ways they presented themselves, the choices they made.
And one day I was driving by the cemetery that was the Muslim cemetery. And I was like, oh, that, you know, cemetery could be a cool thing to advertise for. So I went to their website, and it was like the most unhinged thing where they'd written the website in a first-person narrative. What do you mean? Like, I've got the website. I could read it to you if you want. Sure, yeah. Okay.
Let me introduce myself. My name is Muslim Cemetery, and trust me, I'm your final destiny. I reside in Denton along Highway 380 West, about 8 miles west of I-35 North. My size is 11.5 acres, and I'm 20 years old. Being quite seasoned, you can imagine at present I am home to about 460 permanent residents, with the heart to accommodate 2,500 more.
So it starts out like that, an unusual piece of ad copy in that the business itself, the cemetery, is addressing you in the first person, but whatever. It's the next paragraph that marks the truly strange pivot. The cemetery, speaking to you on its website, begins to kind of berate you. The writing reads, Whoa.
Whoa. Until a few months ago, I did not have the funds even for my monthly maintenance. However, courtesy of a few Allah-fearing folks who took the lead, they jumped in and rescued me. I hope you understand that I'm the only stable and risk-free 401k investment option you have without fearing for any economic downturns.
It's a kind of sales pitch that might be familiar to you if, like me, you're a devoted public radio listener. The product you're using, for some reason, constantly reminding you that it will die unless you give it more money. It works well enough when it's your local radio host. It's a little weird when the business that's threatening to go out of business is your cemetery.
And while I am not an ad critic, the reason this copywriting seems to be not optimal is because the last thing you want to think about as a consumer choosing your final resting place is the idea that the cemetery itself would go out of business. Because then what would happen to you? To your body?
But this vivid copywriting, ineffective as a sales pitch, was effective in that it lodged this question in Lucas's mind. So much so that he found himself wondering about it many years later and decided to email us.
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Chapter 3: How did the guest's childhood influence his view on cemeteries?
Right. Like Spirit Halloween doesn't move in. Like what happens to that land? Right. And I mean, my question would be what happens to the bodies? Yeah, exactly. Like, you know, when I was a kid, I watched Poltergeist and they're like building houses over graves. And, you know, that creates all kinds of problems. But, you know, that's a movie like in real life. What happens to the bodies?
cemeteries are kind of a precious thing it's a weird usage of land so you know in texas i never thought about it because there's land everywhere and like it's not unusual to run into like an abandoned cemetery where a church used to be and there's just like eight headstones there you know i never thought about it but this cemetery got me thinking about that more and more of like what happens if a cemetery in prime area goes out of business i think we can go answer these questions for you happy hunting
After some ads, questions answered. Where do we go when we die? Well, the cemetery, usually. But we'll learn the history of the places we go when we die, and we'll find out what happens when those places run out of cash. All that, after these ads.
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Welcome back to the show. How did you decide that you were going to spend many years of your life thinking about cemeteries?
So, the simple explanation, and it's not that simple, but I grew up in a cemetery.
What?
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Chapter 4: What are the historical changes in cemetery practices?
So in the 19th century, families would buy a plot of land that might have 30 graves on it. because you're buying a plot of land for the generations that follow you. By the middle of the 20th century, most of the time people would buy four, two for them and two for a kid, unmarried kids. And so the way that the business worked changed from these very large lots to much more medium-sized or small.
And how did the business change? You don't get as much money. If you buy a 30-grave lot, they pay for all those 30 graves.
Yeah.
If you buy two, you get paid for two. Now, a big cemetery can react to that. They can put in a scattering field. They can create walls where you can have your name on it. You bury the cremains all as collectively. They can do all sorts of things. But if you're a small cemetery and you are largely dependent upon full bodies, quite quickly you can either run out of land or...
Your business can suffer.
Yeah.
One of the two.
The second pressure on the American cemetery, the thing pushing them in the direction of going out of business, has to do with how many people feel these days about the idea of legacies.
Now there's a whole bunch of people that don't believe in cemeteries anymore. They don't want to be remembered.
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