David Spark

Oh, sorry.

But hold on, Ron.

So for example, people need to get into this room to this session.

If we had a lock on the door,

then it would be quite difficult for people to get in here.

Yeah, but they've got a code posted on the top of the lock.

No, not in this case.

They didn't have a code post.

But what I'm saying is, when do we need to make things slow down for a control, and when do we need to remove it?

Or when do we need to keep it strong?

Is everyone confused?

Yes.

Michelle, I'm going to let Michelle take over here.

Michelle's going to tear this entire thing up.

All right, good.

Thank you for being on my side.

The words we choose build the reality we operate in.

Phil Venables, who's the host of the Google Cloud Security podcast, recently explored how cybersecurity metaphors shape our decisions.

He started with a Stanford study that gave people identical crime reports with one key difference.

whether the crime was described as a, quote, wild beast preying on the city or a virus infecting the city.