David Turner

All right, welcome back to another episode of The Debrief covering Season 3, Finding Heidi.

I'm Jacob Saffel, and we're going to continue diving into this super, super long case.

I would say probably the deepest case Guild's ever had alongside our host, Ryan Wolf.

Ryan, how are you, man?

Absolutely.

So today we'll be covering episodes 13, 14, and 15.

And if you're re-listening with us, which I definitely encourage that you do, there are no shortages of fireworks in these episodes.

So we're going to dive right in here and get into it because we've got a lot to cover.

But

uh before i do that don't forget you can always um follow us on youtube to see these debriefs as well as we pull up some of these especially in these these later episodes we're really going to start getting into some locations and things like that so check those out as well as in the war room for subscribers on the website the guildpodcast.com we've got an interactive map there that's always changing always adding so you can see those and really really dive into the geography of what we're talking about so

uh without anything else let's get into it so um first off we're gonna go into episode 13. this is a fun one um i have to say this is one where a video diary at that time like we have now would have been amazing right yeah absolutely so we saw ryan um dive into quite a trek uh with with ray to crosby's clearing before we really get into the trip i have to commend you man um

Let's talk about that for a second, the location of those items.

You and Ray mentioned this in the episode, the idea that it may or may not have been missed in the original search.

there's kind of a lot to consider there a lot to kind of soak in um first off you saw exactly the location right and and you make it very clear in the episode that this is it's a very obvious spot so what what does your gut tell you do you feel based on what you found do you think that that is something that was actually just missed or looked over or do you think that something happened in the interim

You know, I'll be honest.

I mean, you use the word obvious in the episode and it's tough, man, because

Just like you said, I mean, as I'm seeing you walk down these paths or tracks, they're small.

I mean, this is not, you know, an easy hike.

And depending on what this looked like that day, right, if it was being searched and how thorough that was and, you know, the skill level of who was doing it, if it looked like that, it being missed at least seems plausible, right?

to me, just at first glance there, if that's what the vegetation looked like at the time.