David Westin

And so what happens to the people who are out of work or have to take much more menial jobs than they had before because it's the knowledge workers?

What I hear from you is AI has enormous potential, a lot of it for good, some of it for decidedly not good.

It's very complicated.

It's coming very, very fast.

Where will the leadership in directing AI come from?

Are there people who understand this, who get it, who have the right values, who can help us go in the right direction, particularly given how fast it's coming?

Timing is everything.

And it comes, the developments you talk about come at a time when there's a decided rise in populism in the United States, as well as in much of the Western world.

Right now, the early things I'm hearing, at least about political, from the people is it increases our energy costs and it reduces our jobs.

were against it.

And some politicians are showing signs now of trading on that and saying we should be against actually data centers, we should be against them.

How do you put together the rise of populism with the likely effects of generative AI?

Are we over-investing?

I mean, is this like beta and VHS where the one that gets there first gets to really set the standard?

So U.S.

versus China, take that.

But it does matter in the U.S.

versus China.

Well, that's my question.

If that were your one goal in the United States, what are the policies that get you there?