David Zweig
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193 appearances
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2 series
first heard Apr 2025
last heard May 2025
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Deport all undocumented immigrants. Voters favoring the government trying to deport all 11 million of them. Back in 2016, just 38 percent of voters wanted the government to try to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants. Compare it to where we are in 2025. Fifth. 56 percent, the majority, the American people have come a long way on this issue, much closer to Donald Trump.
And I think that's a big part of the reason why Americans are increasingly saying the country is on the right track when it comes to immigration policy and why Donald Trump's net approval rating on that issue is in the positive.
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Well, my entire book is focused on, or at least it's the launch point, on the long-term school closures and then sort of all the decisions that followed in the wake of that. The mask mandates, barriers on desks, six feet of distancing, all this kind of
Nothing at all. I mean, and these have opaque sides. So the kid was like horse blinders.
Yep.
That's right. You could eat, but you weren't allowed to talk. So we had children. And meanwhile, at the same time, adults, you know, right down the block from the school were dining at a restaurant. You could go to a bar. I mean, right.
I mean, yeah, but yeah, children weren't allowed to speak during lunch. In New York City, some of the schools, the kids were sitting in the winter on concrete outside. Yeah. I mean, this is a good sort of launch into discussing this. When we talk about it, you sort of kind of laugh looking back. This was so radical, so absurd. The idea that children... That's if they were in school.
But millions of them were not even allowed, didn't set foot into a school building for over a year. Healthy kids. We barred healthy children from school while at the same time, malls were open, bars, restaurants, casinos, adults who were actually... at higher risk than children, they could carry on. But kids were barred from school.
I mean, kids in California, they weren't, except for the governor's children, they were in school, in private school. Of course. But everyone else, this is such a wild, wild circumstance that I don't think it's been fully reckoned with how insane that is. And at the time it seemed insane, but a lot of people went along with it.
And the reason I wanted to write the book was, and this is years of research, was to try to create a historical record. And the book is not a cataloging of these are all the harms that happened to kids. I touch on that, of course. It's important. The book is like an anatomy of decision making.
How is it that such an insane decision like that and all the ones that followed after, how did that happen? And that's what the book does. I try to kind of pull the curtain back and show this is how politicians, this is how health officials, this is how the legacy media made its decisions to create a culture where something like that actually happened.
That's right. So I, I, go back and show the CDC created these guidebooks or playbooks for how to handle a pandemic. And there were a series of them, but two of them in particular were very, very important. One of them came out in 2007, and then there was a revision in 2017. These books were mentioned by officials from the CDC at the beginning of the pandemic.
So there's no ambiguity that these were very important and influential. These are the guidebook on here's what you do when a pandemic comes. And One of the astonishing things about these books is they were built on these models. And people hear the word model and they might not know what that means. A study is something that actually happened. A model is a prediction.
It's, you know, you see a graph where the lines are going to do this over time. It's based on various inputs. What in the... the researchers get to decide whatever inputs they want go in. So you plug the things in and then out comes your model saying whatever it is you want it to say. If you don't like what it says, well, you'll just change the inputs until they show what you want it to show.
One of the people who was involved in creating some of the models in these guidebooks by the CDC, his daughter did a science experiment in school where she talked about it was supposed to simulate the flow of our transmission of a disease within a school. And like all this stuff was made up.
Like, and I go through details showing how, and even beyond her, this guy's daughter, even beyond Robert Glass, beyond her, his daughter, were like, More August people at places like Imperial College of London and IHME, these like very, very esteemed institutions, public health institutions, their models were deeply flawed.
And because I'm a crazy person, I actually go in and read all of the models and I'm reading the supplement, you know, 35 pages in and tiny print. And one of the things I found was they had had this figure, something like 35 percent of transmission. They thought something to that effect was coming from schools. I'm like, where did this number come from? So I look through. There's a citation.
I'm like, oh, that's interesting. Then that citation goes to another citation. You go eight layers deep and there in the supplement, it says this number was chosen arbitrarily. Oh, my gosh. So people need to understand. Remember at the beginning of the pandemic, Megan, they had the flatten the curve meme. Everyone, they show if everyone just follows our orders, then it'll go down.
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