David

And I, I went, I kept saying in his comments, I'm like, stop telling your, you want to be this Mr. Honest consulting guy. And you're up, I hope you air this part of it so he sees it, the idiot. I know you know him because you had his boss on one of your podcasts. You had his partner. I think his last name is Santos, the guy's partner. Oh, yeah. You know who I'm talking about? That's the guy.

Yes. He has a guy who they're in business together or something. And that's who I argue with that about. And he's just dug his heels in on that one. He's not giving in at all. I'm like, but you're lying, dude. You're lying about that. It's not the case at all. And it's not the case that public defenders are all bad people.

Yes. He has a guy who they're in business together or something. And that's who I argue with that about. And he's just dug his heels in on that one. He's not giving in at all. I'm like, but you're lying, dude. You're lying about that. It's not the case at all. And it's not the case that public defenders are all bad people.

Yes. He has a guy who they're in business together or something. And that's who I argue with that about. And he's just dug his heels in on that one. He's not giving in at all. I'm like, but you're lying, dude. You're lying about that. It's not the case at all. And it's not the case that public defenders are all bad people.

The case is really that if you need a public defender, the odds are that you're a shitty defendant.

The case is really that if you need a public defender, the odds are that you're a shitty defendant.

The case is really that if you need a public defender, the odds are that you're a shitty defendant.

who has a horrible record and you don't have any money who who doesn't have enough money to hire their own lawyer junkies and and criminals man people that steal and lie and cheat they got records and they got they got cases that are unbeatable you know what i mean now if you have an unbeatable case i don't care if you're it's not like oj simpson that's not the case that does not happen i mean that happened to him because it was a fluke but really that wasn't the

who has a horrible record and you don't have any money who who doesn't have enough money to hire their own lawyer junkies and and criminals man people that steal and lie and cheat they got records and they got they got cases that are unbeatable you know what i mean now if you have an unbeatable case i don't care if you're it's not like oj simpson that's not the case that does not happen i mean that happened to him because it was a fluke but really that wasn't the

who has a horrible record and you don't have any money who who doesn't have enough money to hire their own lawyer junkies and and criminals man people that steal and lie and cheat they got records and they got they got cases that are unbeatable you know what i mean now if you have an unbeatable case i don't care if you're it's not like oj simpson that's not the case that does not happen i mean that happened to him because it was a fluke but really that wasn't the

Really, that was a political thing. It wasn't even like his lawyers did such a great job. It was just that it was in the media. It was a circus. The whole thing was a circus. But generally, that's not the case. People that need public defenders are lunatics. And they have enough evidence. What's the lawyer supposed to do? Really, their job is to get you the least amount of time they can get you.

Really, that was a political thing. It wasn't even like his lawyers did such a great job. It was just that it was in the media. It was a circus. The whole thing was a circus. But generally, that's not the case. People that need public defenders are lunatics. And they have enough evidence. What's the lawyer supposed to do? Really, their job is to get you the least amount of time they can get you.

Really, that was a political thing. It wasn't even like his lawyers did such a great job. It was just that it was in the media. It was a circus. The whole thing was a circus. But generally, that's not the case. People that need public defenders are lunatics. And they have enough evidence. What's the lawyer supposed to do? Really, their job is to get you the least amount of time they can get you.

It's not really to beat the case. I don't think that's their objective, nor should it be. The case should be that they're trying to minimize your sentence. And if they're trying to give you a plea, that's what they're doing. They're trying to minimize your sentence. People talk about going to trial, but you don't really want to do that, especially even in a state case.

It's not really to beat the case. I don't think that's their objective, nor should it be. The case should be that they're trying to minimize your sentence. And if they're trying to give you a plea, that's what they're doing. They're trying to minimize your sentence. People talk about going to trial, but you don't really want to do that, especially even in a state case.

It's not really to beat the case. I don't think that's their objective, nor should it be. The case should be that they're trying to minimize your sentence. And if they're trying to give you a plea, that's what they're doing. They're trying to minimize your sentence. People talk about going to trial, but you don't really want to do that, especially even in a state case.

They've got mountains of evidence against you, and you have it in your head that if you have an expensive lawyer, you're going to win. That's not the case. It's just not. They've got too much evidence. You're not going to win, whatever the case is. So not all the public defenders are all that bad. You hear people talk about that all the time, but they exaggerate it, I think.

They've got mountains of evidence against you, and you have it in your head that if you have an expensive lawyer, you're going to win. That's not the case. It's just not. They've got too much evidence. You're not going to win, whatever the case is. So not all the public defenders are all that bad. You hear people talk about that all the time, but they exaggerate it, I think.

They've got mountains of evidence against you, and you have it in your head that if you have an expensive lawyer, you're going to win. That's not the case. It's just not. They've got too much evidence. You're not going to win, whatever the case is. So not all the public defenders are all that bad. You hear people talk about that all the time, but they exaggerate it, I think.

I think it's grossly exaggerated about lawyers.