David

It's about Leavenworth County and Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary. Read the book, and then next Wednesday we'll go there. But he wants us to read the book so we know who we're looking at and what's going on in this prison. So I do. I read this. I read the book. It's a famous book, too. You ought to read it. It's a fantastic book. It's all about that prison.

And I remember – I'll never forget this – We get there, and he's explaining there's this giant building. And he says, that used to be the furniture factory. They used to build furniture there. Now, I was thinking, well, that's a great idea. Why don't we have the prisoners building furniture and making license plates and everything else? And this is what he said.

And I remember – I'll never forget this – We get there, and he's explaining there's this giant building. And he says, that used to be the furniture factory. They used to build furniture there. Now, I was thinking, well, that's a great idea. Why don't we have the prisoners building furniture and making license plates and everything else? And this is what he said.

And I remember – I'll never forget this – We get there, and he's explaining there's this giant building. And he says, that used to be the furniture factory. They used to build furniture there. Now, I was thinking, well, that's a great idea. Why don't we have the prisoners building furniture and making license plates and everything else? And this is what he said.

Because for every piece of furniture that they build in that prison, you're taking that away from the private industry. The private people who build furniture don't want us having those people build furniture because we're putting us in a position to underbid them.

Because for every piece of furniture that they build in that prison, you're taking that away from the private industry. The private people who build furniture don't want us having those people build furniture because we're putting us in a position to underbid them.

Because for every piece of furniture that they build in that prison, you're taking that away from the private industry. The private people who build furniture don't want us having those people build furniture because we're putting us in a position to underbid them.

that's unfair completely unfair to the private people who were out there building furniture honestly you know what i'm saying so it that's a that changed my whole attitude about it right then and there when he said that i remember walking around in that prison and thinking man wow i would have never i would have never dreamed that that there was an argument to be made in that direction that it was it was detrimental to society

that's unfair completely unfair to the private people who were out there building furniture honestly you know what i'm saying so it that's a that changed my whole attitude about it right then and there when he said that i remember walking around in that prison and thinking man wow i would have never i would have never dreamed that that there was an argument to be made in that direction that it was it was detrimental to society

that's unfair completely unfair to the private people who were out there building furniture honestly you know what i'm saying so it that's a that changed my whole attitude about it right then and there when he said that i remember walking around in that prison and thinking man wow i would have never i would have never dreamed that that there was an argument to be made in that direction that it was it was detrimental to society

in any way at all to have prisoners doing some kind of productive activity like building furniture or making license plates or whatever well there is there is detriment to it you know and uh i'm not saying that they ought to make but i heard you use this word also draconian our sensing is draconian right well and i'm not i'm not saying that you're wrong i i don't know if if the sentences if they were reduced i mean i just don't see how you could finagle the system to make it any better uh even if you did have programs i just don't know

in any way at all to have prisoners doing some kind of productive activity like building furniture or making license plates or whatever well there is there is detriment to it you know and uh i'm not saying that they ought to make but i heard you use this word also draconian our sensing is draconian right well and i'm not i'm not saying that you're wrong i i don't know if if the sentences if they were reduced i mean i just don't see how you could finagle the system to make it any better uh even if you did have programs i just don't know

in any way at all to have prisoners doing some kind of productive activity like building furniture or making license plates or whatever well there is there is detriment to it you know and uh i'm not saying that they ought to make but i heard you use this word also draconian our sensing is draconian right well and i'm not i'm not saying that you're wrong i i don't know if if the sentences if they were reduced i mean i just don't see how you could finagle the system to make it any better uh even if you did have programs i just don't know

don't know if those numbers are right i don't know if people in our doubt go back to prison less often but i've read enough about the prison industry and the the the and i'm sure you have too though there's been waves in this country of prison reform and and prison uh you know it'll go all one way for a while you know they used to put people on chain gangs you know and then people come along and that's ridiculous let's try to reform them and somebody will get in office some uh

don't know if those numbers are right i don't know if people in our doubt go back to prison less often but i've read enough about the prison industry and the the the and i'm sure you have too though there's been waves in this country of prison reform and and prison uh you know it'll go all one way for a while you know they used to put people on chain gangs you know and then people come along and that's ridiculous let's try to reform them and somebody will get in office some uh

don't know if those numbers are right i don't know if people in our doubt go back to prison less often but i've read enough about the prison industry and the the the and i'm sure you have too though there's been waves in this country of prison reform and and prison uh you know it'll go all one way for a while you know they used to put people on chain gangs you know and then people come along and that's ridiculous let's try to reform them and somebody will get in office some uh

a governor gets an office and they put in this giant reform program, kind of like in a Shawshank Redemption, sort of when he was, they were ripping off, you know, the corruption there. Well, that, that's, that's another thing, you know what I mean? So I'm just saying, I never hear that argument made on, on this channel and I'm just bringing it up. I'm not, I'm not, I don't hate criminals.

a governor gets an office and they put in this giant reform program, kind of like in a Shawshank Redemption, sort of when he was, they were ripping off, you know, the corruption there. Well, that, that's, that's another thing, you know what I mean? So I'm just saying, I never hear that argument made on, on this channel and I'm just bringing it up. I'm not, I'm not, I don't hate criminals.

a governor gets an office and they put in this giant reform program, kind of like in a Shawshank Redemption, sort of when he was, they were ripping off, you know, the corruption there. Well, that, that's, that's another thing, you know what I mean? So I'm just saying, I never hear that argument made on, on this channel and I'm just bringing it up. I'm not, I'm not, I don't hate criminals.

I mean, I've, you know, I, I deserved, I'm sure I deserved a little bit of prison time for it. If you, if I got caught for everything I did, I did some pretty stupid shit, and I could have very well easily went to prison too, but I would have never gone to prison and claimed that society owed me some kind of reform program.