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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

And especially these general purpose all L1s and L2s, I believe they're going to continue to struggle to attract new liquidity, new users without blasting incentives, right?

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

We've seen a number of alt L1s throughout the last year run these really aggressive deposit campaigns.

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

You get nine figures in deposits.

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

They pay out a significant amount of incentives and the capital immediately leaves.

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

And maybe one of the more recent examples of this is Unichain.

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

You know, back in July, they were at roughly $1 billion in TVL with the incentives.

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

Fast forward to today, they're at circa $100 million in TVL.

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

And it's just this very common playbook that's been run.

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

And the reason why is like all the capital ends up going back to Ethereum or Solana.

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

And I think beyond that, if you were to ask me a year, two years ago, uh,

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

will PumpFun or Polymarket launch their own chain?

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

I would have bet strongly yes.

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

Both controlled, you know, the front end.

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

They owned all the users, the eyeballs, and they didn't, right?

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

And that really begs the question, why didn't they?

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

And if they didn't, who should, right?

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

So even for these application-specific chains, it's come into question that

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

These companies actually really, A, not only value the network effects of their underlying network, but B, they can't really justify launching a chain because before the reason to launch a chain was you could really establish this large L1 premium.

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

And by and large, again, outside of the really big winners, that doesn't exist today.

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The Duopolies of 2026: Ethereum & Solana, Coinbase & Robinhood, Polymarket & Kalshi | Ryan, David & Arnav Pagidyala

And again, you're abandoning the network effects of the underlying chain and you're introducing a lot of friction.