Davide Asnaghi

I don't think I actually fully appreciated that till right now.

And Davide, you've said your goal is to transform every software engineer into an electrical engineer.

Why?

And how?

I think this gets to another parallel in both of the industries that you're working in, which is that you're working in these industries with like a very entrenched sort of sets of expertise, ways of working, tools that people are used to using.

And I'm curious to hear, I mean, which is very different than like software engineering, for example, where even before AI, I think software engineers are just naturally technology curious and used to adopting completely new frameworks

for doing their work like every couple of years so can you talk a little bit about that like how do you how do you essentially change an entire industry's way of working um how much do you have to vertically integrate and own yourself um versus how can you bring people along for the journey i mean on our side there is um

Yeah, I mean, it's hard to think of a more traditional industry than construction.

They want a set rate of return.

So do you have to go out and hire and look for the like forward leaning?

I mean, for example, like you need a registered civil engineer, I presume, to sign off on a drawing before it goes to construction.

Like, how do you think about constructing a team, no pun intended, of people who are like actually, you know, willing to think differently given the right incentive structures?

Yeah.

Davide, like maybe similarly in some ways, I don't know if the same sort of capital incentive structures align, but like electrical engineers are sort of famous for, no offense, because you yourself are an electrical engineer, for what's the right word?

Like being fixed in their way.

Very Italian, very Italian of them.

How do you get people to change the way they work?

The checks passing.

Yeah.

I mean, I think you both touched on this sort of like time, money.