Davina McCall

It's a whack-a-mole.

Whack-a-mole, yeah.

I mean, how did the kindness method, what were the beginnings of that?

When did you think, do you know what?

We're doing this all wrong.

I feel like there's another way.

I think it's a terrible time for people that are incarcerated.

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So remand is a very insecure and unstable time for someone.

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