Davina McCall

Were you at that time able to go, well, I've learned a lot, don't worry, I'll use it in the next one.

Or how did it affect you?

At what point did it become really unmanageable?

How long were you like that for?

Like when other people, because I think it's possible to hide drug use for quite a long time from people where they can't really see it.

But when did all of those kind of barriers start

You were 21 at this point, right?

A little bit.

It's quite funny, we've just got to explain that people in recovery that go to Western supermare call it Western super nightmare.

Well, it is a gorgeous place if you're not in treatment.

You know when you've got that little idea in the back of your mind, something that you think, you know what, I might do that one day and then life gets kind of busy and it just sort of stays there.

Well I was thinking about how sometimes overwhelming it can feel when you actually try to start something.

Design, writing, photography, payments, tech, all of it

It's a lot.

Well, Shopify, whose sponsors begin again, sort of takes that chaos and it makes it feel achievable because it gives you a place to build your shop without needing to be an expert.

It's got templates.

It's got tools.

that help you write product descriptions and nudge you along a bit when you get stuck.

It means that you can just start.

If you've been sitting on an idea or you could just maybe have a look, try it out.