Dax Shepard

Half,

I just really like that show a lot in terms of how he's exploring masculinity and what relationships can look like between two men that don't necessarily have to be, both of them have to be queer.

But I think he also was exploring versions of that in Baby Reindeer as well.

But I think he definitely is sort of an artist that's making television in a way that is forcing us to pay attention in a way that I don't know we always do.

the fact that this was something that was not proper America Netflix.

This was Netflix that was like coming out of the UK.

And as he said to me, he was like, I don't think Netflix thought it was going to be this huge hit.

That speaks to the disconnect between, I think, streamers and audiences.

I know.

And it's sort of like, what do audiences actually want?

What do they need?

I lived through the whole thing, okay?

No, that's true.

And it's about like what becomes mega hits?

Why does it become a mega hit?

I'm always fascinated by that.

Are we creating stars anymore or just sort of depending on the ones that already have the money to carry a show that might not be that great?

You're like, who are these people?

Yeah.

It's like being 30 watching a Billboard Awards.