Dax Shepard

Exactly.

We're also in a different era we need to acknowledge because I've had surgeries in all the eras, right?

So when the Sacklers were running, I mean, if there is a true villain in it, it is the Sackler family who had a very well-financed campaign to convince doctors who hadn't studied pain.

Less than a 1% chance of addiction.

Yeah, so they don't know and they're seeing all this data that was bullshit data that the Sacklers had come up with.

So again, I can't expect them to like go specialize in pain medicine if they're a thoracic surgeon.

They have to rely on studies and stuff.

So they were the victims of a very good campaign by a very well-funded dark ass family.

And so there was a period, I talk about this, most of my friends are stuntmen.

They all have crazy injuries.

Most stuntmen have a kit of opiates at their disposal.

That doesn't exist anymore.

The damn shot.

It's not what it was.

So I also don't think we need to overreact to a situation that no longer exists to a large degree.

You're not walking in with a toothache and walking out with two weeks of Percocet anymore.

But I think a lot of that's in reaction.

But they've slammed the door on it.

So I don't know that it's the same issue as it was 10 years ago.

I respect both of your positions.