Dean Ball

So as to illustrate a point.

And this feels like that.

It just feels, it feels, it doesn't feel like an interaction that real human beings had.

My understanding also, by the way, is that it just is a very quick point of fact.

My understanding is that Anthropic offered and this is based on public reporting that they offered for there to be a, you know, an exception to the autonomous lethal weapons law.

clause for autonomous air defense.

Though it's also worth noting that autonomous lethal weapons, like the kind of air defense equipment that you would use to destroy incoming hypersonic missiles wouldn't count because they don't kill people.

Well,

I find it to be, truthfully, I think it's not entirely crazy, but I also, there's a part of me that finds it slightly disingenuous, and I'll tell you why.

Because, I don't know if Ben has ever said this explicitly, but a lot of people who have said this, who have made this type of argument, are people that would have also spent the last two or three years saying that Anthropic is quote-unquote lobbying for regulatory capture by supporting the idea of technocratic regulation on frontier AI.

And so you kind of can't have it both ways.

It's like, what did Anthropic expect would happen?

It's like, well, maybe they expected that there would be technocratic regulation on frontier AI.

Maybe exactly what they've been saying, like, hey, there are national security implications here.

We should have regulation about that.

And we think we're not doing...

you know, nearly enough on the governance front.

Uh, and we, we need the government to be way more engaged, right?

Like that is what they've been saying.

And, uh, that doesn't mean they're saying, please, you know, force us to do, they're not saying, please seize our property, uh,