Debbie Johnston

I just thought, okay, I'm going to do it.

And

had no idea it was one of the hardest things I've ever done in my life I will tell you that in terms of what people don't know about those kind of shows is they film you for 14 to 16 hours a day and ask you the same questions over and over again and

It's just physically, it was physically and emotionally very taxing.

However, what I got out of it was lifelong.

I am so proud.

of my reach people um they have that sparked such incredible growth for them what do you mean sorry what do you mean your reach people i had three charities that i work with and reach was one that has really really really taken off well plug them what's the website for reach

Fellowship International.

Reach Fellowship International.

And they take in, they do all kinds of things.

And they, I've been back there twice.

They take in women who have been incarcerated, who had their kids taken away from them.

And they're trying to match them back up with them and get them straight and get them off drugs.

I can't say enough about Edwina, Bishop Edwina.

e-d-w-i-n-a santiago perez yeah santiago perez she is so fascinating she um used to be the biggest drug lord in richmond california and just you know was selling drugs to all sorts of folks ended up in jail and she prayed she said god if you will let me out of here i will serve you forever and she has somehow she got out in six months she was supposed to get 15 years

And please go to her website because she needs help in growing.

And she has done such a tremendous job of taking 12-year-old prostitutes off the street, people that are on drugs, gotten them back with their parents.

Just incredible.

You know, it's what we give away that makes us happy.

It's making somebody's life that makes us happy easier.