Deborah Roberts

Never.

Okay.

Brian was not the guy who started the fight.

Brian was in the group.

The first thing you're going to do if you're, I mean, if we're honest with one another, is to think, well, you know, domestic relations, that's something people kill people over.

That's something people get upset about.

So you're kind of wanting to look at everything.

I seem to remember her trying to convince me that, oh no, we were solid, he wasn't going to leave me, he wasn't going to leave me.

And getting the impression from the mom, yeah, he was going to leave her for sure.

And she was on her way out the door.

Did you ever see it?

But you were sure that towards the end, he was telling you that he was going to end it?

Yeah.

Said it more than one time.

More, yeah.

This is Deborah Roberts.

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