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And that had such an impact in the courtroom, too, when you think about that. But yet, Isabella still, you know, defends her mom. I mean, she wants to actually see her mom.

And also for their future, too. I mean, going forward. I mean, how can you process all of that? But that's what really got me in this case, too, that they still they don't really believe that she could have as much as they probably know that their mom could be callous and all of that. They don't want to believe that she could do something that heinous. No.

And also for their future, too. I mean, going forward. I mean, how can you process all of that? But that's what really got me in this case, too, that they still they don't really believe that she could have as much as they probably know that their mom could be callous and all of that. They don't want to believe that she could do something that heinous. No.

Pat, you have, as we said earlier, you've covered so many of these cases. And oftentimes when I'm out there in the field and I'm reporting on these things and getting all the details, you do think that you just couldn't make this up. No, you can't. Yeah, this one I think you said it's up there for you in terms of what you found so fascinating about it, the human condition, very Shakespearean.

Pat, you have, as we said earlier, you've covered so many of these cases. And oftentimes when I'm out there in the field and I'm reporting on these things and getting all the details, you do think that you just couldn't make this up. No, you can't. Yeah, this one I think you said it's up there for you in terms of what you found so fascinating about it, the human condition, very Shakespearean.

You know, this is one you're not going to forget for a long time.

You know, this is one you're not going to forget for a long time.

Right. We talk about the timeline and everything kind of falling into place for this murder, if Monica indeed did it. But do you think she wanted her daughter? She set it up for her daughter to find her father's body? Or do you think that was just collateral damage here?

Right. We talk about the timeline and everything kind of falling into place for this murder, if Monica indeed did it. But do you think she wanted her daughter? She set it up for her daughter to find her father's body? Or do you think that was just collateral damage here?

One of the things that was so incredible is that there are two murder suspects here, and one testified for the prosecution, one testifies for the defense. Talk about that accomplice to Robert Baker.

One of the things that was so incredible is that there are two murder suspects here, and one testified for the prosecution, one testifies for the defense. Talk about that accomplice to Robert Baker.

Yeah, and he got a lighter sentence, though. Pat, this has been so fascinating, and you and I could talk all day about this, but I can't thank you enough for bringing such intrigue and such understanding to these stories, at least to the extent that we can understand them. Always a pleasure to talk with you, Pat.

Yeah, and he got a lighter sentence, though. Pat, this has been so fascinating, and you and I could talk all day about this, but I can't thank you enough for bringing such intrigue and such understanding to these stories, at least to the extent that we can understand them. Always a pleasure to talk with you, Pat.

Pat LaLama is an ABC News consultant who covered the Cimentelli trial for us in Los Angeles. That does it for 2020, The After Show. And we hope you'll tune in on Friday nights at 9 for all new episodes of 2020 on ABC. This episode was produced by Cameron Chertavian and Sasha Aslanian, along with Joe Rhee, Brian Mazursky, and Alex Berenfeld of 2020.

Pat LaLama is an ABC News consultant who covered the Cimentelli trial for us in Los Angeles. That does it for 2020, The After Show. And we hope you'll tune in on Friday nights at 9 for all new episodes of 2020 on ABC. This episode was produced by Cameron Chertavian and Sasha Aslanian, along with Joe Rhee, Brian Mazursky, and Alex Berenfeld of 2020.

And we also had help this week from Amira Williams, Meg Vieira, and Larry DeCantt. Janice Johnston is the executive producer of 2020. Josh Cohen is the director of podcasting and ABC Audio. Laura Mayer is the executive producer.

And we also had help this week from Amira Williams, Meg Vieira, and Larry DeCantt. Janice Johnston is the executive producer of 2020. Josh Cohen is the director of podcasting and ABC Audio. Laura Mayer is the executive producer.

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