Deborah Roberts

John Chocolos, this patriarch, this wealthy patriarch of this family who had been murdered, had four daughters- One of them was Nathan's mom. That was just really interesting to find out how the money and how it affected the family and how there were fights within the family. And Nathan's mom, Linda, butted heads with her father a lot over life and the way she was raising her son.

And that she wanted to try to repair the relationship.

And that she wanted to try to repair the relationship.

Yeah, a very tight-knit, we were told by them, a tight-knit Greek family too. One of the family members we actually got to meet was Charlene Gallagher, who was a younger sister to Linda. Let's hear an extended clip of that interview.

Yeah, a very tight-knit, we were told by them, a tight-knit Greek family too. One of the family members we actually got to meet was Charlene Gallagher, who was a younger sister to Linda. Let's hear an extended clip of that interview.

You can hear the pain in her voice. We should say that Nathan was awaiting trial when he wound up taking his own life. The clip kind of really brings home, I think, how devastating these events were for this family. I mean, to have three family members.

You can hear the pain in her voice. We should say that Nathan was awaiting trial when he wound up taking his own life. The clip kind of really brings home, I think, how devastating these events were for this family. I mean, to have three family members.

Chuck LaPena, who you interviewed, Deborah, is cousin of Nathan.

Chuck LaPena, who you interviewed, Deborah, is cousin of Nathan.

Wow, that's how that came about.

Wow, that's how that came about.

And you certainly didn't want to presume to ask him to go to the cemetery.

And you certainly didn't want to presume to ask him to go to the cemetery.

Well, they never found her body, but he wanted at least a stone to represent her.

Well, they never found her body, but he wanted at least a stone to represent her.

Sometimes in these stories, we do find moments that we aren't expecting. And that's, I think, to me, on a human level, that's what makes the work that we do so interesting.

Sometimes in these stories, we do find moments that we aren't expecting. And that's, I think, to me, on a human level, that's what makes the work that we do so interesting.

And so rewarding in some ways, even though it's a very sad story when we're talking about true crime, but rewarding to connect with a family member and to hopefully maybe bring a little bit of lightness to them just for that moment to be able to share their story.

And so rewarding in some ways, even though it's a very sad story when we're talking about true crime, but rewarding to connect with a family member and to hopefully maybe bring a little bit of lightness to them just for that moment to be able to share their story.

Well, John, JB, this was really great.