Deborah Roberts

I just did that bit on the boat in addition to interviewing folks. But you actually got in a life raft because he said he survived a little more than a week with supplies out on a life raft. You actually got in one.

He didn't seem to be weak when he was trying to climb out of the boat.

He didn't seem to be weak when he was trying to climb out of the boat.

Kind of nerve wracking too. I'm glad you didn't ask me to do that one. Another intriguing part of this story is that we got a chance to include some sort of first-time scene broadcast interviews with law enforcement, right? Nathan is recorded while he's talking to police.

Kind of nerve wracking too. I'm glad you didn't ask me to do that one. Another intriguing part of this story is that we got a chance to include some sort of first-time scene broadcast interviews with law enforcement, right? Nathan is recorded while he's talking to police.

Tell folks how you managed to do that kind of thing, because that is what makes our stories, I think, interesting and special, to see something that you haven't seen before.

Tell folks how you managed to do that kind of thing, because that is what makes our stories, I think, interesting and special, to see something that you haven't seen before.

And late at night. He was in the middle of the night.

And late at night. He was in the middle of the night.

But it's interesting that he even could know to do that and to actually- He was a very smart guy.

But it's interesting that he even could know to do that and to actually- He was a very smart guy.

Pretty wild.

Pretty wild.

And you mentioned the Slayer lawsuit, and that is basically a Slayer petition means you can't profit from or you can't collect money after somebody has died.

And you mentioned the Slayer lawsuit, and that is basically a Slayer petition means you can't profit from or you can't collect money after somebody has died.

I want to talk about that. But we're going to take a break first, though. And when we come back, we're going to unpack this tangled web of family, personal history and drama at the heart of the story.

I want to talk about that. But we're going to take a break first, though. And when we come back, we're going to unpack this tangled web of family, personal history and drama at the heart of the story.

We're back with the 2020 After Show, and Jonathan, the producer of the piece that we worked on together, is here. This story isn't just about a murder investigation. It's about a very, not just fractured, I guess, dysfunctional family. There are a lot of dynamics at work here. I thought that was so intriguing. You and I started off by looking at the family tree.

We're back with the 2020 After Show, and Jonathan, the producer of the piece that we worked on together, is here. This story isn't just about a murder investigation. It's about a very, not just fractured, I guess, dysfunctional family. There are a lot of dynamics at work here. I thought that was so intriguing. You and I started off by looking at the family tree.

John Chocolos, this patriarch, this wealthy patriarch of this family who had been murdered, had four daughters- One of them was Nathan's mom. That was just really interesting to find out how the money and how it affected the family and how there were fights within the family. And Nathan's mom, Linda, butted heads with her father a lot over life and the way she was raising her son.