Deborah Roberts

But you kind of shift the focus of these stories as well.

I mean, not just about the dark corners of all of that, which is very dark oftentimes, but you like to highlight the good in people as well.

And that's what I also find to be interesting.

You call it survivor-led true crime.

And when I sit across from folks that I'm interviewing, and oftentimes they are either the victims or the relatives who are left behind, I'm often just amazed by how

they can actually display this resilience.

I want to talk about what you explore a lot in these episodes, and it's kind of like fairy tales gone wrong, right?

Relationships that have kind of imploded.

Oftentimes, women who are deceived by partners or husbands, something that they didn't see coming.

And I'm always surprised, you know, for us, when...

they will sit down and share these stories.

Are you surprised as I am sometimes that people are willing to speak out publicly?

Yeah, no, I totally agree with you.

You also talk about who is left to carry the shame.

Oftentimes, again, in these cases where maybe there was a woman who was either betrayed or tricked by someone, sometimes the man heads off to prison and then the woman is left to deal with the consequences.

Right.

You know, that's something, too, that they have to deal with that kind of trauma.

Do you think that sometimes talking about it, I find that some of the people will thank me afterwards for telling their stories.

Do you think that maybe in some ways that eases the trauma for them?

Yeah, what did I miss?