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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What is the main focus of the episode?
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Hello, everybody. Welcome to 2020 The After Show. I'm Debra Roberts. And as always, I'm so glad that you're spending some time with us today. We have got a special episode. If you've been with us, you know that we typically take you behind the scenes of our latest 2020 program.
Chapter 3: How did Andrea Gunning transition from television to true crime podcasting?
But today we're going to take a little detour. With somebody who spent a lot of time examining acts of betrayal and deceit, we're gonna hear from Andrea Gunning. She hosts a popular true crime podcast called Betrayal. It is at the center of almost everything that they are showing us. It inspired the hit series Betrayal, Secrets and Lies.
This show focuses not just on horrific crimes of fraud, double lives, and deep deception, the kinds of things that you see on 2020 programs a lot, but most important, it celebrates the remarkable resilience of the people who have overcome the unthinkable. So today, Andrea is sharing with us what she's learned over the four years of telling these stories.
And she's going to give us kind of a deeper look behind the scenes of last night's episode, which was called The Kentucky Con Man. Andrea, such a pleasure to have you with us. Welcome. Thank you for having me.
I'm so excited.
Oh my gosh, we're very excited. Well, you know, your podcast, your show has just been blowing up. People have been talking about it. So before we get into that, I want to know more about you, because you started your career in television as a producer. How did you find your way into the true crime genre and podcasting?
Well, you know, I work for Glass Entertainment Group, and that's led by the Nancy Glass, who is a pioneer in the space. And she is my mentor. She's taught me everything I know. And, you know, many years ago, we were looking into diversifying, you know, our programming. And we came across a story, and it was with Kim Goldman. And you know that name, she lost her brother.
When we were developing her story, a lot of interested networks were only really considering her value if she would do the story with OJ Simpson, if she would sit down with OJ. Back in the day when I was eight years old and this trial was going on, I watched my mother watch the trial religiously. And she was so mesmerized and captivated.
And I would watch her watch it all day and then go out into the driveway and talk to her girlfriends about it. And as an eight year old, you're like, what is going on? Obviously there's something amazing happening on screen, but what is drawing my mother to this story? And so the very first podcast we did was told through the lens of the individuals that lived through that experience.
And it was led through Kim's POV.
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Chapter 4: What insights does Andrea share about betrayal in relationships?
Telling stories from Kim's perspective, from survivors' perspectives, has always been so deeply important to my work and why I do what I do because it's really about the experience and what it does. When you live through a crime, what is it like for the individuals that have gone through it?
Who have had to sit by and watch this happen and also deal with it. You know, it's so interesting because your work is called Betrayal. It centers around betrayal. And we've done a number of stories at 2020 where there was somebody who nobody expected and there was betrayal at the core of all of this lies, secrets. I'm curious what led you, though.
I mean, it's one thing when you're talking about those survivors, but when you're talking about betrayal, I mean, that is such an intense and powerful feeling. And so what was it that led you to look into this whole idea of broken trust and betrayal?
Jennifer, who is the subject of season one of Betrayal, reached out to me. And when she was sharing about what she went through with her ex-husband, Spencer, I knew that gut feeling of what don't I know? And I know that watershed moment when everything is revealed. And so there was this piece of like this emotional access that I could relate to her that I said, there's something here to this.
I want to explore this more. And that's what got me on the journey of Betrayal.
Yeah, and it's so fascinating. I mean, people are just riveted by it, which I think is so interesting. And I definitely want to get your take on that in a little while. But you kind of shift the focus of these stories as well. I mean, not just about the dark corners of all of that, which is very dark oftentimes, but you like to highlight the good in people as well.
And that's what I also find to be interesting. You call it survivor-led true crime.
You know, Debra, I've worked with these storytellers for over four years, and even though they've gone through some of the worst that you could imagine, they are able to get up every day and put one foot in front of the other and have a close-hit family or a community. And so to see that resilience firsthand, is what really kind of fortifies my own purpose.
We do explore the darkest in humanity, but in reality, it's also about the resilience of how they overcome. These people just are able to get up every day and move forward.
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Chapter 5: What is the story behind the 'Kentucky Con Man' episode?
And when we come back, Andrea is going to tell us how that secret left a woman's family devastated and nearly homeless. You don't want to miss it. Don't go anywhere.
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