Deborah Treisman

Yes.

She was on his side hiding his drawings from the start.

Right, right.

No buoyancy there.

Well, thank you very much, Han.

Lyudmila Ulitskaya, a winner of the Russian Booker Prize and the Austrian State Prize for European Literature, among others, is the author of more than 15 books of fiction, including the novels Jacob's Ladder and The Big Green Tent, and the collections The Body of the Soul and Sonechka, a novella and stories.

In 2024, Russia labeled her a foreign agent for opposing the war in Ukraine.

Han Ong is the author of numerous plays and the novels The Disinherited and Fixer Chao, which was first published in 2001 and will be reissued this July by Outsider Editions.

Ong has been publishing fiction in The New Yorker since 2019.

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I'm Deborah Treisman.

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This is the New Yorker Fiction Podcast from The New Yorker magazine.

I'm Deborah Treisman, Fiction Editor at The New Yorker.

Each month we invite a writer to choose a story from the magazine's archives to read and discuss.

This month we're going to hear Evolution by Joan Silber, which appeared in The New Yorker in September of 2022.