Demis Hassabis

And I think that's what we're doing.

I think there probably needs to be 10 times more effort of that than there is now as we're getting closer and closer to the AGI line.

And then I think they're, they're, they operate over different timescales and they're equally important to address.

So there's just the, the, the, the common garden or variety of like, you know, bad actors using new technology, uh, in this case, general purpose technology and repurposing it for harmful ends.

And that's a huge risk.

And I think that has a lot of complications because generally, you know, I'm in huge favor of open science and open source.

And in fact, we did it with all our science projects like AlphaFold and all of those things for the benefit of the scientific community.

But how does one restrict bad actors?

access to these powerful systems, whether they're individuals or even rogue states, but enable access at the same time to good actors to maximally build on top of.

It's a pretty tricky problem that I've not heard a clear solution to.

So there's the bad actor use case problem.

And then there's obviously as the systems become more agentic and closer to AGI and more autonomous, how do we ensure the guardrails and they stick to what we want them to do and under our control?

Yeah, it's a hard problem.

I mean, look, we can maybe also use the technology itself to help early warning on some of the bad actor use cases, right?

Whether that's bio or nuclear or whatever it is, like AI could be potentially helpful there as long as the AI that you're using is itself reliable, right?

So it's a sort of interlocking problem and that's what makes it very tricky

And again, it may require some agreement internationally, at least between China and the US of some basic standards, right?

Yeah, it's a special moment.

And, you know, it was great for Lisa Doll.

And, you know, I think it's in a way they were sort of inspiring each other.