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Demis Hassabis

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

And I think the early criticisms of these early systems were that they were just regurgitating and memorizing.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

But I think clearly the new era, the Gemini GPT-4 type era, they are definitely generalizing to new constructs.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

But actually in my thesis and that paper particularly that started that area of imagination in neuroscience was showing that, first of all memory, certainly at least human memory is a reconstructive process.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

It's not a videotape, right?

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

We sort of put it together back from components that seems familiar to us, the ensemble.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

And that's what made me think that imagination might be the same thing, except in this case, you're using the same semantic components, but now you're putting it together into a way that your brain thinks is novel, right?

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

For a particular purpose like planning.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

And so I do think that that kind of idea is still probably missing from our current systems, this sort of pulling together different parts of your world model to simulate something new that then helps with your planning, which is what I would call imagination.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

Yes, we have actually, I mean, we have already lots of internal checks and balances, but we're going to start publishing.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

Actually, you know, sort of watch this space is we're working on a whole bunch of blog posts and technical papers that we'll be putting out in the next few months that, you know, along the similar lines of things like responsible scaling laws and so on.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

We have those implicitly internally and various safety councils and so on, people like Shane Chair and so on.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

But it's time for us to talk about that more publicly, I think.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

So we'll be doing that throughout the course of the year.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

Yeah, it's interesting.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

So first of all, there's sort of two parts to this.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

One is security, one is open source, maybe we can discuss.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

But the security, I think, is super key, just as sort of normal cybersecurity type things.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

And I think we're lucky at Google DeepMind, we're kind of behind Google's firewall and cloud protection, which is, I think, best in class in the world corporately.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

So we already have that protection.

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Demis Hassabis - Scaling, Superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, Rogue Nations Threat

And then behind that, we have specific DeepMind