Dennis Leonard

The government budget is not dealt with that way and it should be.

Exactly.

OK, well, the point is, again, take it from the lower level of the bicycle shed, probably given to a junior architect in the company as one of those small projects.

Just get that underway.

Probably not briefed properly on a budget, but...

uh developed a pretty picture somebody priced it it kind of went up to eventually it always ends up on a financial uh controller's table and that's where the technicalities move out so again somebody at the technical level was responsible for presenting that budget for approval and again probably nobody was uh nobody was reprimanded and nobody was fired you must do better the next time and off they go again uh i wouldn't go into the um

Children's Hospital, I'm an architect myself, and that went wrong from the beginning.

It was off and running before they really knew what it was.

And basically the project itself.

So, you know, I wouldn't go into that subject.

It was a disaster from the beginning.

But there'll be probably nobody standing up on the ribbon cutting is done because everybody along the last 10 or 12 years is responsible for the continued

The continued lack of control.

Yeah, and IT is very difficult.

Within most departments and major companies, you can seem to grasp them and understand them, but most people don't understand IT projects, and the people who run them are basically hardly questioned about them because it's quite a scientific area even now.

Forget about IT and everything else.

So they're a law unto themselves within companies, and therefore they never get questioned properly on these things, you know.

This system is available everywhere.

The British Rail, all over Europe, all over the world, same thing with airlines, all these scheduled things, they're available in packages.

So why didn't they buy a package?