Dennis McKenna

And they – in this state, they get very tuned in to everyone in the group, almost telepathically. I mean they can tell if you're having a hard time. They can tell – Come over, blow a little mapacho smoke on you, maybe sing a song in front of you, maybe get you calmed down or get you redirect what you're doing. That's their job. That's what shamans do.

So this idea of taking high amounts of these things – It's good to have somebody like that or have a therapist. Therapists can do it. I think psychotherapy, like psychedelic psychotherapy is evolving more toward what shamans do. you know, integrating some of those methodologies.

So this idea of taking high amounts of these things – It's good to have somebody like that or have a therapist. Therapists can do it. I think psychotherapy, like psychedelic psychotherapy is evolving more toward what shamans do. you know, integrating some of those methodologies.

So this idea of taking high amounts of these things – It's good to have somebody like that or have a therapist. Therapists can do it. I think psychotherapy, like psychedelic psychotherapy is evolving more toward what shamans do. you know, integrating some of those methodologies.

There you go.

There you go.

There you go.

Right.

Right.

Right.

Yeah, this is all right. This is good. I mean, I think it's good. I think it's good to have, you know, what we used to call a sitter. And sometimes a sitter is enough. A sitter may not be a shaman, but maybe just a trusted friend.

Yeah, this is all right. This is good. I mean, I think it's good. I think it's good to have, you know, what we used to call a sitter. And sometimes a sitter is enough. A sitter may not be a shaman, but maybe just a trusted friend.

Yeah, this is all right. This is good. I mean, I think it's good. I think it's good to have, you know, what we used to call a sitter. And sometimes a sitter is enough. A sitter may not be a shaman, but maybe just a trusted friend.

Not even necessarily in the same room. But, you know, if you get upset, hey. having a hard time, come in and pat my knee or whatever, you know. And because, you know, you're putting yourself in a unusual state that can be terrifying. But as you point out, there's always something to be learned, you know. I mean, even the terrifying experiences are, sometimes they're the most valuable experiences.

Not even necessarily in the same room. But, you know, if you get upset, hey. having a hard time, come in and pat my knee or whatever, you know. And because, you know, you're putting yourself in a unusual state that can be terrifying. But as you point out, there's always something to be learned, you know. I mean, even the terrifying experiences are, sometimes they're the most valuable experiences.

Not even necessarily in the same room. But, you know, if you get upset, hey. having a hard time, come in and pat my knee or whatever, you know. And because, you know, you're putting yourself in a unusual state that can be terrifying. But as you point out, there's always something to be learned, you know. I mean, even the terrifying experiences are, sometimes they're the most valuable experiences.

Well, I think it's changing, though, particularly with psychedelics. I mean, psychedelics, there's a lot of research has accumulated now to show that they do have these benefits that if properly used, they can be used. They're not harmful and they can be effective. very helpful.

Well, I think it's changing, though, particularly with psychedelics. I mean, psychedelics, there's a lot of research has accumulated now to show that they do have these benefits that if properly used, they can be used. They're not harmful and they can be effective. very helpful.

Well, I think it's changing, though, particularly with psychedelics. I mean, psychedelics, there's a lot of research has accumulated now to show that they do have these benefits that if properly used, they can be used. They're not harmful and they can be effective. very helpful.

So it's kind of shifted the conversation from what it used to be even, well, this has all been happening since basically since Roland Griffith started working with psilocybin and getting FDA approval and, you know, playing it straight in terms of he was a, you know, serious neuroscientist and so on. But now their benefits are being recognized. But here's the thing. Any