Dennis McKenna

So it's kind of shifted the conversation from what it used to be even, well, this has all been happening since basically since Roland Griffith started working with psilocybin and getting FDA approval and, you know, playing it straight in terms of he was a, you know, serious neuroscientist and so on. But now their benefits are being recognized. But here's the thing. Any

So it's kind of shifted the conversation from what it used to be even, well, this has all been happening since basically since Roland Griffith started working with psilocybin and getting FDA approval and, you know, playing it straight in terms of he was a, you know, serious neuroscientist and so on. But now their benefits are being recognized. But here's the thing. Any

I look at psychedelics, they're basically a technology. Any technology can be misused, you know, and any technology will be misused. You can be sure of it, you know, a lot of times. There are whole issues about people, you know, shamans or self-styled shamans that use that to dominate people, you know, sexual abuse, all of this stuff.

I look at psychedelics, they're basically a technology. Any technology can be misused, you know, and any technology will be misused. You can be sure of it, you know, a lot of times. There are whole issues about people, you know, shamans or self-styled shamans that use that to dominate people, you know, sexual abuse, all of this stuff.

I look at psychedelics, they're basically a technology. Any technology can be misused, you know, and any technology will be misused. You can be sure of it, you know, a lot of times. There are whole issues about people, you know, shamans or self-styled shamans that use that to dominate people, you know, sexual abuse, all of this stuff.

Not that this doesn't happen in therapeutic, so-called therapeutic situations.

Not that this doesn't happen in therapeutic, so-called therapeutic situations.

Not that this doesn't happen in therapeutic, so-called therapeutic situations.

in anything. The problem that I think in the conversation about drugs has always been the drugs are identified as the demons. Drugs are just drugs. They just have the properties that they have. The moral quality of how you use them comes from us. And that's true of any technology. The choices we make

in anything. The problem that I think in the conversation about drugs has always been the drugs are identified as the demons. Drugs are just drugs. They just have the properties that they have. The moral quality of how you use them comes from us. And that's true of any technology. The choices we make

in anything. The problem that I think in the conversation about drugs has always been the drugs are identified as the demons. Drugs are just drugs. They just have the properties that they have. The moral quality of how you use them comes from us. And that's true of any technology. The choices we make

in terms of how to use the technology, be it drugs or atomic weaponry or anything, it comes down to us. We're the moral compass, not the technology's neutral.

in terms of how to use the technology, be it drugs or atomic weaponry or anything, it comes down to us. We're the moral compass, not the technology's neutral.

in terms of how to use the technology, be it drugs or atomic weaponry or anything, it comes down to us. We're the moral compass, not the technology's neutral.

No, you don't necessarily go back to the well and drink again. They do not have this reinforcing effect, and that's exactly right. These other drugs work through the dopaminergic pathway, and they reinforce you. You do it, and you want to do it again, and you want to do it again, and it's very, very hard to throw that off.

No, you don't necessarily go back to the well and drink again. They do not have this reinforcing effect, and that's exactly right. These other drugs work through the dopaminergic pathway, and they reinforce you. You do it, and you want to do it again, and you want to do it again, and it's very, very hard to throw that off.

No, you don't necessarily go back to the well and drink again. They do not have this reinforcing effect, and that's exactly right. These other drugs work through the dopaminergic pathway, and they reinforce you. You do it, and you want to do it again, and you want to do it again, and it's very, very hard to throw that off.

Yeah, we will talk about that in that sense. Cocaine is definitely one of those. And psychedelics can be useful, again, by letting you step out of your reference frame and look at this addiction process. Maybe it's alcohol. Maybe it's cocaine. Maybe it's heroin. Maybe it's tobacco. All of these things work together. Directly or indirectly through this dopaminergic pathway.

Yeah, we will talk about that in that sense. Cocaine is definitely one of those. And psychedelics can be useful, again, by letting you step out of your reference frame and look at this addiction process. Maybe it's alcohol. Maybe it's cocaine. Maybe it's heroin. Maybe it's tobacco. All of these things work together. Directly or indirectly through this dopaminergic pathway.

Yeah, we will talk about that in that sense. Cocaine is definitely one of those. And psychedelics can be useful, again, by letting you step out of your reference frame and look at this addiction process. Maybe it's alcohol. Maybe it's cocaine. Maybe it's heroin. Maybe it's tobacco. All of these things work together. Directly or indirectly through this dopaminergic pathway.