Dennis Murphy

And this is this whole thing of, you know, that maybe the family jumped the gun by going into that apartment before the authorities, and is everything going to get thrown out? Do you have any insight on how that all went?

And this is this whole thing of, you know, that maybe the family jumped the gun by going into that apartment before the authorities, and is everything going to get thrown out? Do you have any insight on how that all went?

And of course, the defense attorney surprised everyone in the courtroom right in his very opening.

And of course, the defense attorney surprised everyone in the courtroom right in his very opening.

So the defense strategy, I guess, is let's go for a lesser here. We do not want a conviction on murder one premeditated. Maybe we can argue it all the way down to manslaughter.

So the defense strategy, I guess, is let's go for a lesser here. We do not want a conviction on murder one premeditated. Maybe we can argue it all the way down to manslaughter.

And Blaine, this is very often a difficult concept for jurors to get their heads around. What is premeditation? How long do you need to plan your action to realize, I know what I'm going to do is wrong. I'm going to go ahead and do it anyway. Is that in an instant? Does it take minutes? Jurors seem to want to put premeditation on a timeline, and it's not an easy concept.

And Blaine, this is very often a difficult concept for jurors to get their heads around. What is premeditation? How long do you need to plan your action to realize, I know what I'm going to do is wrong. I'm going to go ahead and do it anyway. Is that in an instant? Does it take minutes? Jurors seem to want to put premeditation on a timeline, and it's not an easy concept.

Blaine, you had a chance to talk to at least one juror after the trial. And the issue was, what were you guys going through? Take me into the room. And it was juror number 11, a woman named Sarah. Let's listen to a little of that and see what she has to say.

Blaine, you had a chance to talk to at least one juror after the trial. And the issue was, what were you guys going through? Take me into the room. And it was juror number 11, a woman named Sarah. Let's listen to a little of that and see what she has to say.

It came down to premeditation, which that all the way up to the very end, the very ending premeditation, closing statement from DA Moyle or General Moyle. And I think I know for sure that red light analogy that Moyle gave is what really helped me understand the premeditation side of it.

It came down to premeditation, which that all the way up to the very end, the very ending premeditation, closing statement from DA Moyle or General Moyle. And I think I know for sure that red light analogy that Moyle gave is what really helped me understand the premeditation side of it.

And it's that essentially we've all been faced with this choice when we're driving a car and you come to a yellow light, you can either step on the gas and go through it or step on the brake and stop. And that there's so many factors that go into that. You're taking on other traffic coming by. They're considering are there people walking? Is there, are you late?

And it's that essentially we've all been faced with this choice when we're driving a car and you come to a yellow light, you can either step on the gas and go through it or step on the brake and stop. And that there's so many factors that go into that. You're taking on other traffic coming by. They're considering are there people walking? Is there, are you late?

We have all of these things that go through our mind in a split second to decide to go through it or hit the brake. And that's all it takes is a split second to decide. And just, you know, just like making that quick decision to stop at a yellow light. It's, you know, that really was what helped me solidify. Like there was so many opportunities to stop.

We have all of these things that go through our mind in a split second to decide to go through it or hit the brake. And that's all it takes is a split second to decide. And just, you know, just like making that quick decision to stop at a yellow light. It's, you know, that really was what helped me solidify. Like there was so many opportunities to stop.

I'm always struck that jurors don't get a manual on how to be a jury.

I'm always struck that jurors don't get a manual on how to be a jury.

How long was the jury out, Blaine? Not long, I don't think.

How long was the jury out, Blaine? Not long, I don't think.