Dennis Murphy

Any insight into this character would be well done.

Thanks, man.

And enjoy your work.

Thanks, Al.

Appreciate it.

It's a good observation.

As I say, to me, the star witness of this trial is Rob, the son who did not get pulled into any of this.

He was always on the skirts.

And I think we talked about some of his background and why he was removed, but

He had not talked to his mother in nine years, ten years?

And the prosecution resisted putting him on the stand until they absolutely had to use him, and that was in the trial of his mother.

So dramatic.

Well, I think if you ask that questions of Ruth and Phil Markell with the parents of the murdered man, they say that this is a blatant attempt to just erase entirely the memory of Dan Markell.

So the boys will have no association with him, with the heritage of their names, with their relatives in Canada, that he will be gone from their memory.

And that's why it happened.

Well, they've been kept offstage from the media, the likes of us.

So we hear about them mainly through Phil and Ruth Markel, and they're quite candid.

And they tell us about the Zoom calls and the very limited visits they've had and the in-person visits.

always have Wendy in the room.

So they desire to have more visits, and yet this very odd situation where Wendy has custody of the kids, so the grandparents have to play nice with her in order to keep the contacts open at all.