DeRay McKesson

These niggas have wrapped their mind around, like, I'm going to be in here the rest of my life.

You don't matter to them.

So I think...

The social programming, I don't think scared straight works.

I think it's been too televised, it's been too publicized, and people don't take it seriously, right?

But I wonder around what social programs could be implemented so that people can get the actual reality of what prison life is like.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I'm curious about this because...

If we lessen the consequence for nonviolent crimes, which I think is extremely necessary, one, how do we keep them engaged with society?

How do we keep them from being repeat offenders?

So what are social programs that... Let's say a person steals, right?

But there is a social program, like I said, that works from home.

Now they're actually making money even though they're dealing with consequences of their actions.

And now stealing seems like...

less feasible or, like, less rational.

So, like, well, even though... But testimonial, like, well, this shit actually helped me.

Kind of, like, it gave me an opportunity I didn't feel like I had before, right?

And I think that's the biggest benefit of social programs.

But I think for kids that's, like,

Let's just say you're a drug dealer.