Derek Thompson

And so if the US doesn't buy those toasters and doesn't buy those toys and coloring books, my feeling is that China is going to find other trading partners and that they have a political system that is not exactly democratic, which means it is insulated from the short-term pressures to modify policy in the face of a trade war.

And so if the US doesn't buy those toasters and doesn't buy those toys and coloring books, my feeling is that China is going to find other trading partners and that they have a political system that is not exactly democratic, which means it is insulated from the short-term pressures to modify policy in the face of a trade war.

And so if the US doesn't buy those toasters and doesn't buy those toys and coloring books, my feeling is that China is going to find other trading partners and that they have a political system that is not exactly democratic, which means it is insulated from the short-term pressures to modify policy in the face of a trade war.

So for a lot of reasons, I am extremely pessimistic about the prospects of America having a trade war with China, despite the fact that I'm incredibly patriotic about wanting to build a lot of the advanced manufacturing products that even conservatives say they want to get out of this plan.

So for a lot of reasons, I am extremely pessimistic about the prospects of America having a trade war with China, despite the fact that I'm incredibly patriotic about wanting to build a lot of the advanced manufacturing products that even conservatives say they want to get out of this plan.

So for a lot of reasons, I am extremely pessimistic about the prospects of America having a trade war with China, despite the fact that I'm incredibly patriotic about wanting to build a lot of the advanced manufacturing products that even conservatives say they want to get out of this plan.

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Okay. Yeah, it's actually, it's the longest podcast we've ever done. It's three interviews over two hours. And look, science is incredibly important to me. I am obsessed with the idea that most Americans and most American politicians severely underrate how important science is to progress.

Okay. Yeah, it's actually, it's the longest podcast we've ever done. It's three interviews over two hours. And look, science is incredibly important to me. I am obsessed with the idea that most Americans and most American politicians severely underrate how important science is to progress.

Okay. Yeah, it's actually, it's the longest podcast we've ever done. It's three interviews over two hours. And look, science is incredibly important to me. I am obsessed with the idea that most Americans and most American politicians severely underrate how important science is to progress.

One of the most important reasons why Americans live longer today than they did 30, 40, 50 years ago is because of advances in cardiovascular medicine and cancer medicine and Alzheimer's that we've come up with in the last few decades. And that requires an enormous investment in science.

One of the most important reasons why Americans live longer today than they did 30, 40, 50 years ago is because of advances in cardiovascular medicine and cancer medicine and Alzheimer's that we've come up with in the last few decades. And that requires an enormous investment in science.

One of the most important reasons why Americans live longer today than they did 30, 40, 50 years ago is because of advances in cardiovascular medicine and cancer medicine and Alzheimer's that we've come up with in the last few decades. And that requires an enormous investment in science.

$50 billion is spent through the NIH to help some of the smartest researchers in America and therefore in the world investigate the most important unknown questions in science. And right now, the Trump administration is essentially trying, it seems to me, to destroy that, right? They're proposing budgets to cut 40% of the NIH and 50% of the National Science Foundation.

$50 billion is spent through the NIH to help some of the smartest researchers in America and therefore in the world investigate the most important unknown questions in science. And right now, the Trump administration is essentially trying, it seems to me, to destroy that, right? They're proposing budgets to cut 40% of the NIH and 50% of the National Science Foundation.

$50 billion is spent through the NIH to help some of the smartest researchers in America and therefore in the world investigate the most important unknown questions in science. And right now, the Trump administration is essentially trying, it seems to me, to destroy that, right? They're proposing budgets to cut 40% of the NIH and 50% of the National Science Foundation.

You could say theoretically, oh, well, they're just trying to target the bad projects that would be done by only like ho-hum scientists, the good projects we're going to hold on to. But don't you think there's a lot of good scientists at say Harvard, Columbia, Cornell, Northwestern?

You could say theoretically, oh, well, they're just trying to target the bad projects that would be done by only like ho-hum scientists, the good projects we're going to hold on to. But don't you think there's a lot of good scientists at say Harvard, Columbia, Cornell, Northwestern?