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Derek Thompson

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9152 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

What we've seen essentially is that Austin built an enormous number of homes in the 2010s and early 2020s.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And average rents have gone down, down, down over the last 18 to 24 months.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Austin is like the canonical story here.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

But the story that I find more impressive in a way is Dallas, Texas.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Dallas, Texas, between 2019 and the early 2020s, added a population equivalent to the size of urban Boston.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Hundreds of thousands of people moved into the Dallas metro.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And if Dallas were like Los Angeles and San Francisco, the average price of a home in Dallas, Texas right now would be around $3 billion.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

But that's not what happened.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

$3 billion?

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

No, I'm just joking.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

It would be so absurdly high.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

You have to calculate it like Bitcoin.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

But what happened instead, housing prices in Dallas have actually declined over the last three and a half years.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Dallas built so much that construction increased per capita throughout this period.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Dallas builds more housing today than any other metro in the country.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

That is a triumph of allowing the housing market to work.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And that's because housing is not a special kind of good.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

It's a good that, like so many other goods, is responsive to supply and demand.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Given a steady level of demand, if you restrict supply, prices go up.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

If you add supply, prices stabilize.