Derek Thompson

I don't know, any final thoughts on like how one jumpstarts a cultural revolution that takes on a cultural revolution?

Because I do think that is to a certain extent what we're in the middle of.

It's tough.

I like this being a solution show, but values are tricky.

Value change is really tricky.

Some people value reading and some people don't.

Some people value watching weird 1970s movies.

Some people don't.

Some people value reading.

making friends in adulthood.

And some people don't.

Changing values at a societal level, I think, is quite difficult.

And my guess is that the most likely way that we begin to see these curves bent

is that we see such overwhelming evidence, as we sort of saw in teen mental health, such overwhelming evidence that these things are damaging, that the graphical evidence scares people into a kind of mass cultural change.

But it's very, very hard to do.

And I really appreciate, speaking of graphs, just the incredible work you do making visual the most important trends in the world.

So John Byrne Murdoch, thank you for coming on the show.

Great to see you.

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