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Derek Thompson

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Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Not enough housing, not enough energy, not enough childcare, and what little gets built goes to the wealthy first.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Democrats will build an America that works for everyone, not just those at the top.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

That was the message that polled the best.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

I don't think that that's dispositive.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

I mean, testing messaging is not the be all end all of politics.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And there are philosophical differences between liberals and populists that we shouldn't run away from.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

They exist.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

But the fights often obscured the degree to which.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

individuals could hold simultaneously both populist and abundance principles.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And I've come to think of this somewhat cheesily as the abundance mullet, which is to say economic populism in the front and abundance in the back.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

So who's wearing the abundance mullet as horrifying as that might be to imagine?

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Zoran Mamdani ran on freezing the rent, but here he is talking about making it easier and faster for developers to build in New York City.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Yes, you're right.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

He ran on both.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

But I think if you polled people and asked them, what did you hear more about, freezing the rent or accelerating the time with which developers could start getting...

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

building in Manhattan and Brooklyn, I think most people associate him with the memetic freeze the rent rather than the less memetic shortening the permitting time from 18 months to 10 months.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

So he's one example.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Another example, I think, is New Jersey Governor Mikey Sherrill, who ran on

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

freezing utility increases, making it easier for people to afford electricity by talking about price caps.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

But her second executive order was all about supply-side renovations to encourage the construction of solar and storage in particular by making it easier to build energy in New Jersey.