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Derek Thompson

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9152 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Like, what is the thing we want...

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

progressive abundance doge to do better.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And there's a little bit of a blank space there.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

So let me try to fill out some ideas.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

One of the failures of the Biden administration that you and I talked about a lot on the tour was the failure to spend money authorized under the bipartisan infrastructure bill.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

You know, I talked to a lot of people at the state level about what they saw as the reason why rural broadband money, tens of billions of dollars of it, didn't actually build rural broadband and why several billion dollars of electric vehicle charger stations money was also not spent.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And the answer that I kept hearing, they felt like the people they were talking to in the Biden administration

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

They felt like they were coming up with excuses to extend the period of time, to come up with more instruments of delay than were necessary by the rules inscribed by the law itself.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And that brings me to a point that you might think of as sort of like Doge for Better, but I sometimes think of as being like a little bit separate.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

It's this idea that abundance is not just a set of ideas and laws and rules.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

It's the people who execute them.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And one thing that I think the incoming, hopefully, Democratic administration in 2029 will value is not just a new set of rules that value speed, but personnel that value speed.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

I actually think you can go quite far by bringing in people who really, really want to

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

laws to be passed and then money to be spent expeditiously and are looking for ways to do that legally, not by violating the law, because, you know, as much as it's talked about how much Donald Trump and Elon Musk, when he was in government, just like, you know, ran through everything with a chainsaw and machete.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

You look at all the various ways that Trump has lost in the courts that have consistently slowed him down to do all kinds of things.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

I mean,

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

The Trump administration is now paying back $166 billion in tariff fees.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

That's not moving fast.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

That's moving fast, then moving very slow because you have to undo everything you just did.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

So you want to follow the law, but I also think you want to bring in people into government that really, really want to move quickly.