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Derek Thompson

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Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

And now that box, that special purpose vehicle, is going out, borrowing money, paying for construction, and owning the data center.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Right.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Um, on the surface, I guess you could say everyone's happy, right?

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Meta gets money without messing up its balance sheet.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

The investors get, you know, high returns, I guess, without obvious risks, because they're basically working with meta.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Um, but what happens if we build too many data centers, right?

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Meta is exposed.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

The private equity firms, maybe more importantly, are exposed.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Maybe some of these REITs are exposed.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

And that means the limited partners, the LPs, whoever's putting the money into those private equity firms, they're exposed as well.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

So the same way that, like, if you were going back to 2006, 2007, we were thinking, if this whole house of cards comes down, who's hurt?

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

You could say, oh, it's Bear Stearns.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Oh, it's AIG.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Like...

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Give me a sense of the kind of companies that would be most exposed if we saw a significant slowdown in the AI CapEx world or some kind of significant pullback here.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

And putting this all together, right, let's say you're a typical, you're an older investor, you're a conservative investor, you've got some money in REITs, you think this is just sort of your meat and potatoes investment vehicle.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

And now you said between 10 and 20% of these REITs are directly or indirectly tied to data centers.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Assets under management.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Okay, so you're right.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

So 10 to 20% of these REITs, assets under management, is in data centers.