Derval MacDonald

Back with me are Mick Clifford, Aisling Meehan, Derek Mooney and Ciara Murphy.

Mick, Fine Gael and Fine Gael politicians are pleading to join Independent Ireland.

They're all set to jump ship.

That's according to Independent Ireland.

We might say, well, they would say that, wouldn't they?

How real is that recruitment drive, do you think?

Although Shane Coleman is writing this morning that we cannot exclude that possibility.

Derek, if they have a good by-election, do you think that it could lead to more people joining?

unusual now he's Orban is still Prime Minister for another while yet the handover it hasn't happened where he goes thereafter is another matter yeah because Vincent Boland in the Business Post said Orban will likely remain an incorrigible liberal still he did a favour last week for Democrats everywhere he conceded defeat with good grace and that may be the most important thing he ever did

He didn't go on the... Oh no, when you examine Magyar's policies... He just went on the corruption.

And a former member of the party.

Actually, I mean, it's interesting, in that piece by Vincent Boland, he says, you know, most of these, what he calls the Natcons, the National Conservatives, are not fascists or neo-Nazis.

One might say they're just like any other Conservatives.

Do you think that there is room for growth in democracies, including Ireland, for people to say, look, we're not that, we're not far right, but we care about these issues, like migration, like, do you think that there is room for that kind of a vote?

And obviously, we should point out that the Ukrainian crisis is not over for Ukrainians.

I think, Ciara, you picked that piece out too.

Of course, what Cindy Creighton is highlighting is correct, but that's not going to lead to the kind of overnight solutions that people seeking to blockade ports are demanding.

And of course, the need, if we want to get things like the metro and everything, we're going to need an awful lot.

Do you think we've got inbuilt flexibility, Mick?

Derek, just to bring you back to Orban there, I think you'd spotted Dominic Lawson has agreed with us in the Sunday Times, the fall of Orban should be a lesson for Trump.