Diana Pasulka

of Plato's Republic. Then 1984 was also an update of the Allegory of the Cave. So this is the idea that there's something that's been hidden from us, and there are characters who are hiding it from us. And like in 1984, they want—they're terrible, right? They're going to try—there's a never-ending war, right, in 1984.

And so people have been through this depression, Sean, and have like talked about it. And it made me more depressed because I was like, damn, it looks structural. It looks like this is just the structure of the world. Who else has said this? Well, Jesus did. Jesus said this. Jesus said, you must live in the world, but not be of it. Jesus also spoke in parables, which was code.

And so people have been through this depression, Sean, and have like talked about it. And it made me more depressed because I was like, damn, it looks structural. It looks like this is just the structure of the world. Who else has said this? Well, Jesus did. Jesus said this. Jesus said, you must live in the world, but not be of it. Jesus also spoke in parables, which was code.

And so people have been through this depression, Sean, and have like talked about it. And it made me more depressed because I was like, damn, it looks structural. It looks like this is just the structure of the world. Who else has said this? Well, Jesus did. Jesus said this. Jesus said, you must live in the world, but not be of it. Jesus also spoke in parables, which was code.

He was speaking to his own audience, okay? He was speaking to the audience who had ears to hear. So that's when I was like, ah, now I finally understand. It takes me a while to really get something. So I had to go through those experiences in order to truly understand that not everybody's going to get it. And yeah, they're going to look like they're, you call it demonic experiences.

He was speaking to his own audience, okay? He was speaking to the audience who had ears to hear. So that's when I was like, ah, now I finally understand. It takes me a while to really get something. So I had to go through those experiences in order to truly understand that not everybody's going to get it. And yeah, they're going to look like they're, you call it demonic experiences.

He was speaking to his own audience, okay? He was speaking to the audience who had ears to hear. So that's when I was like, ah, now I finally understand. It takes me a while to really get something. So I had to go through those experiences in order to truly understand that not everybody's going to get it. And yeah, they're going to look like they're, you call it demonic experiences.

I might call it they're in the matrix. Like there's different words to describe it, but they're not awakened to something that you and I feel like they should be awakened to. And in fact, they're hurting themselves, okay? See? So it's like something that's maybe the way it is.

I might call it they're in the matrix. Like there's different words to describe it, but they're not awakened to something that you and I feel like they should be awakened to. And in fact, they're hurting themselves, okay? See? So it's like something that's maybe the way it is.

I might call it they're in the matrix. Like there's different words to describe it, but they're not awakened to something that you and I feel like they should be awakened to. And in fact, they're hurting themselves, okay? See? So it's like something that's maybe the way it is.

It seems like it. I mean, if Socrates is talking about it through Plato, and then Jesus is talking about it, and then it gets redone in every generation, Brave New World, 1984, The Matrix in the 1990s. It's the same kind of recognition. Has anything been – like, what does this mean? I mean, I think it has a message for us. And so you and me, we're American. We want to save the world.

It seems like it. I mean, if Socrates is talking about it through Plato, and then Jesus is talking about it, and then it gets redone in every generation, Brave New World, 1984, The Matrix in the 1990s. It's the same kind of recognition. Has anything been – like, what does this mean? I mean, I think it has a message for us. And so you and me, we're American. We want to save the world.

It seems like it. I mean, if Socrates is talking about it through Plato, and then Jesus is talking about it, and then it gets redone in every generation, Brave New World, 1984, The Matrix in the 1990s. It's the same kind of recognition. Has anything been – like, what does this mean? I mean, I think it has a message for us. And so you and me, we're American. We want to save the world.

We're like – we have it inbred that we can make it better. This can be better, right? But this kind of thing suggests that it's structural, just posing it. So –

We're like – we have it inbred that we can make it better. This can be better, right? But this kind of thing suggests that it's structural, just posing it. So –

We're like – we have it inbred that we can make it better. This can be better, right? But this kind of thing suggests that it's structural, just posing it. So –

Okay, so you're asking who are the puppet masters?

Okay, so you're asking who are the puppet masters?

Okay, so you're asking who are the puppet masters?

Yeah, yeah. That's what I asked, too. So when we're taught in college or high school, we're taught the Plato's Republic thing, the Allegory of the Cave, and, you know, if you pay attention— you know that these people are in a cave and these puppet masters are making puppets on the wall and people think that that's reality.