Diana Walsh Pasulka

That's for sure.

It's a weird show.

But again, I do have this internal struggle with this concept of good and evil that perhaps the negative aspects are there to enlighten us and to let us know that our work is not done and that we have to move forward.

into a direction that we know is just and good and correct and loving.

And that this is possible within small groups of people.

It's possible with individuals and ultimately must be possible with the collective.

It just has to be managed in some way or facilitated in some way.

And that it's not guaranteed.

And that if you look at World War II and look at the Holocaust, you look at the horrific things that human beings are capable of when they're allowed to just run rampant.

You talked about the Japanese horrors during World War II.

Like the rape of Nanking.

I remember reading that going, how are human beings capable of doing this?

Bizarre.

Bizarre in its cruelty.

Horrific.

And that seems to be evil.

That seems to be evil personified.

Right.

It is a thing.

Evil's a real thing.