Diana Walsh Pasulka

We're pretty sure we have these equations and we know what it is.

Like, what?

Like, why am I supposed to believe you?

Because you guys are PhDs?

Like, what?

This is nuts.

But because this is like a field of science, this is a field of study that's universally accepted.

we've given them a pass to talk about crazy stuff.

But if you want to talk about crazy things in terms of

encountering some sort of thing some entity some consciousness that exists in an alternative realm that has access to this realm occasionally or perhaps that you can transcend your normal state of consciousness and access

this other realm, occasionally, through some methods, whether it's through meditation, through psychedelic trips, through something, near-death experiences, something happens that perturbs the normal state of reality, and you have...

brief access to this transcendent experience that everyone has talked about all of the great prophets all of the great saints and religious figures have talked about from the beginning of written history

No, I didn't.

Oh, I did know that.

So Socrates, that name?

Oh, sorry.

So what was the methodology behind that?

Was it the breaking down of the normal states of consciousness through rigorous exercise and exertion?

Like a runner's high.

Which Tesla also believed.