Diego Perez

And when I think about those terms, like beyond mind and matter, as I've kept meditating, even though I haven't experienced it per se, I...

can feel like, oh, this is where this leads.

This is totally heading towards, like, because to me, beyond mind and matter means outside of the universe.

Because there's so many levels of existence and mind and matter are literally the descriptor of this universe that we exist in.

But I think you can just make the mind sharp enough that eventually it pierces right through.

Oh, totally.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's, it's really clear and it feels like it's just, you know, what happens next?

Cause you can literally feel like the way time starts slowing down, the way everything becomes so incredibly tranquil that the filaments, I don't even know what to call them, but these, these things that are binding together, the universe are ever so lightly melting away.

And yeah,

To me, it's like, and I think in the beginning when I first started meditating, that idea was so exciting.

Like, oh wow, the potential to like be fully free and all that.

And now I've learned to just like, that's the point of the practice.

The point of the practice is to achieve ultimate liberation, but I'm not going to rush anything.

I'm just going to keep practicing.

Whatever happens, happens.

I think it's become pretty clear, you know, to see that, yeah, I've traveled enough of this path to know where it leads.

The exact moment that you start craving it, the door closes.

It's just not even approachable.