Doc

That's why Jez gets a lot of the bigger guys, because he's too athletic and gets around the ground.

So being able to play small on him is a good weapon to have.

Yeah, I think he is.

I don't have his...

He's got that grey spot at the front of his hair, too.

Yeah, there's something in that older forward experience forward that's got good forward craft.

They're the ones that are lasting.

Look at Gunston, him.

Across their careers, those guys have been two really smart forwards that are great with their craft.

They're great with their brain.

They can play with a lot of players.

Taylor Walker's played with a lot of tools around him and has always done well.

The guys that aren't as smart can't do that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Especially that's for a large part forwards have been taught that craft is like get near the front and then push your guy into the contest so that he gets stuck in the mark and you're just sitting there by yourself.

So...

It is one that you've got to get out of the game.

Just while we're on O'Connor, because we're not O'Connor, O'Sullivan.

We're talking about O'Connor, but O'Sullivan.