Doctor Mike

And I'm like, Oh my God, if we think about all the, like, to me, that takes away your frame ideology to some degree.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Where do you stand on psychiatrists or psychologists who have their own psychiatric issues?

I'm curious, in a scenario, this happened to my therapist, my psychologist that I was seeing, and she pointed out that

She was discussing another case, again, with no details whatsoever, but the fact that someone was looking...

was saying things about that happened in their life.

And they were looking for reassurance that what had happened to them was terrible, but objectively it wasn't terrible.

And I don't remember the exact details of it, but when the psychologist went and told them, Hey, look, what happened to you is terrible.

The fact that you're feeling this way is terrible, but just so you know, that's not this.

And it kind of created a conflict.

The patient ended up leaving.

But the psychologist said to me that if they were continuing to say that this was actually harm and this was terrible to them when it was a fact not harmful, it would have yielded a bigger problem.

How do you handle discrepancies like that?

Do you think it becomes problematic when a psychiatrist or psychologist becomes famous?

They want to help patients.

They're trying to educate.

But does that fame then take them out of the frame?

Yeah.

I think about, I've had some guests on the show who were taking on patients for nutrition sake, even though they weren't in the nutrition space and they were getting all these great outcomes in their patients.