Dom Harvey

Exactly.

I've learned that's the saying.

Right, so just an hour or two hours here and there where you're like that.

It's amazing what a good sleep does, eh?

Yeah.

Yeah, I just can't imagine some of the obstacles you encountered, especially early on.

Or are they still there now and they're just like bigger and different and there's more of a way through them?

What's been the hardest things to learn?

Have you had to adjust or change your personality style?

Say you're too nice or too much of a retriever, people take advantage of you?

Just out of necessity?

Yeah, people that deal with you, what would they say about you?

Would they say she's like a tough negotiator or, you know, what would they... Oh, goodness.

I had a guy on the podcast recently called Phil Smith.

He's a TV guy, runs a company called Great Southern Television.

And he's from Southland.

He described himself as a border collie, but he said in business, you just can't be like that.

Yeah, you're a bulldog.

He said it's sad, but people just take advantage of you.

Yeah.