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Dominic Sandbrook

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The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

He was no politician.

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

He was a media artist himself.

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

So that was the rock star David Bowie interviewed in Playboy in September 1976.

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The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

And the big question, what's going on there?

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

Did he really mean it?

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

Was he playing a part, perhaps, as he loved to do in the 1970s, the decade of Ziggy Stardust and Aladdin Sane?

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

And of course, the part he's playing here is the thin white duke who Bowie described as a very Aryan fascist type.

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The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

Or was he just completely off his head on coke and speed?

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

So many questions, Dominic.

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

But whatever the explanation, the thing is that he was saying quite a lot of things like that in 1975 and 1976.

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

So here he is being interviewed by the NME in October 1975, where he said what Britain needs is an extreme right front to come up and sweep everything off its feet and tidy everything up.

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

He said the coming of the far right would do something positive, at least to cause a commotion in people.

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

And they'll either accept dictatorship or get rid of it.

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

In April 1976, he was telling a press conference that Britain could benefit from a fascist leader.

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

And then in May 1976, so the following month, came the most notorious incident of all.

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

When he turned up at Victoria Station in, I think, an open top Mercedes car.

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

and greeted fans with what was alleged at the time to be a Nazi salute and which Bowie, Elon Musk style, subsequently said had just been a wave.

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

And then a few weeks later he gives the interview that I've just cited.

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

And the thing is, Dominic, isn't it, that the genius of Bowie is that he is superb at his chameleon-esque qualities, at finding characters who do reflect the zeitgeist.

The Rest Is History
664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

Windsor Davis played a sergeant major in a now cancelled BBC sitcom about the British in India.