Dominic Sandbrook

And this is in the context of Canada as well.

Yes, exactly.

Which hasn't been conquered.

So, yeah, that's what I'd have thought.

But can I also ask, it derives from the kind of poem derives from an Akron who is an ancient Greek and the ancient Greek ideals of liberty is obviously very current.

The Roman ideals of liberty.

I mean, it's part of the kind of the language of the American culture class in this period.

And the counterpoint to the liberty of the Athenians or the Romans, you know, save the Athenians, it's the slavery of those who were fighting for the Persian king at Marathon.

Right.

And that, again, is something that goes back to the American War of Independence, isn't it?

Because this was a British strategy to offer slaves in the South their freedom if they would join the British.

When the British tried this policy in the American War of Independence,

It was obviously massively compromised because the British themselves were defending the plantations in the Caribbean on which there were slaves.

Slavery was not illegal.

By this point, you have a British foreign secretary who is about to go to the Congress of Vienna and press for the abolition of the slave trade with the other great powers.

Is that something you think that would have filtered through to

Black Americans?

Yeah, how would you find it?

But maybe it's just kind of, you know, it's on the grapevine.

I mean, it would be big news, I would imagine.